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Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 05:25 PM
Can someone help me figure out what my idle air control valve and fuel pressure regulator look like? 1995 camaro 3.4l
Please and thank you!

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 06:59 PM
Can someone help me figure out what my idle air control valve and fuel pressure regulator look like? 1995 camaro 3.4l
Please and thank you!

I found pictures of the replacement parts but I'm not entirely sure where on the motor they are located.

3.8blackmaro
05-10-2012, 08:37 PM
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t343/frankiegyo/lkhlkj.jpg

The FPR is in that mess in the valley of the intake. If I remember right anyway.:hmm:

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 08:45 PM
The FPR is in that mess in the valley of the intake. If I remember right anyway.:hmm:[/QUOTE]

Yup thats the one. Me and the hubby finally figured it out =) I am pretty sure that it is the Idle air valve thing. When we unplug it, it changes nothing in the idle. I may be wrong but hopefully its not too expensive to replace.

3.8blackmaro
05-10-2012, 08:48 PM
Iac valve is $35. You can try popping yours out and cleaning it off before you spend the money on one. Its just two t15 torx bits I think.

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 08:52 PM
Iac valve is $35. You can try popping yours out and cleaning it off before you spend the money on one. Its just two t15 torx bits I think.

Ok ill do that first. Yea its easy to get to thank goodness. That why I pick changing and or cleaning that first. :wavey:

straightnastyv6
05-10-2012, 09:18 PM
do you smell gas when you are idling?

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 09:30 PM
do you smell gas when you are idling?

Yes but not in the car, only outside. It smells rich. Im pretty sure that it is the IAC vavle. We took it out to clean it and the spring/coil thing is completely shot. It is so stiff that it sticks.

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 09:31 PM
Iac valve is $35. You can try popping yours out and cleaning it off before you spend the money on one. Its just two t15 torx bits I think.

What do you suggest to clean it with? The spring has no spring left to it, its stiff and sticking...

3.8blackmaro
05-10-2012, 09:35 PM
Carb cleaner or brake clean, it is a stepper motor it should rotate not compress. Chance are you probably will just have to replace it.

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 09:38 PM
Carb cleaner or brake clean, it is a stepper motor it should rotate not compress. Chance are you probably will just have to replace it.

Oh, well we could compress it but it was not easy. I hope we didnt brake it. :o

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 09:42 PM
I think we are going to try and clean it anyway. We never made it that far cause we started checking it out when we pulled it and noticed how it was sticking and just assumed we needed another one. Worth a shot.

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 10:16 PM
Ok so we cleaned it, but not a whole lot different. Even when we unplug it, it doesnt change the idle at all. Do you think that means we defineitly need to replace it if it doesnt change the idle at all when we unplug it? :hmm:

straightnastyv6
05-10-2012, 10:26 PM
Yes but not in the car, only outside. It smells rich. Im pretty sure that it is the IAC vavle. We took it out to clean it and the spring/coil thing is completely shot. It is so stiff that it sticks.
its the fpr valve i just replaced mine

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 10:38 PM
its the fpr valve i just replaced mine

Well I guess when we get paid we will buy both parts anyway then. Im pretty sure that all of these parts are the original ones on this car. They are all rough looking. Thanks for the insight:wavey:

straightnastyv6
05-10-2012, 10:59 PM
Well I guess when we get paid we will buy both parts anyway then. Im pretty sure that all of these parts are the original ones on this car. They are all rough looking. Thanks for the insight:wavey:
np is the car stick or auto?

Lauraloo2552
05-10-2012, 11:02 PM
np is the car stick or auto?

auto, i cant believe they want like $70 + for the little part! Thats some crap.. :banghead:

straightnastyv6
05-10-2012, 11:34 PM
auto, i cant believe they want like $70 + for the little part! Thats some crap.. :banghead:
yup thats about right

:bouncer::dis:

Throwback Bird
05-11-2012, 12:15 AM
You could also have a coil going out.

davidlb512
05-11-2012, 12:24 AM
auto, i cant believe they want like $70 + for the little part! Thats some crap.. :banghead:

Rockauto.com has it for $55. Plus I have a 5% discount code you can use too. Does V6F-body.com not have a store discount code sharing thread somewhere?

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 09:35 AM
You could also have a coil going out.

It could be. Those are original too. I guess we should replace all of these since we cant pinpoint the exact problem...

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 09:37 AM
Rockauto.com has it for $55. Plus I have a 5% discount code you can use too. Does V6F-body.com not have a store discount code sharing thread somewhere?

I wouldnt know, I'm new :wavey:
$55 is cheaper but how do yall feel about getting the FPR from a junk yard? Bad idea?
Ill let ya know if I need that discount code, though. Thanks =)

straightnastyv6
05-11-2012, 09:41 AM
I wouldnt know, I'm new :wavey:
$55 is cheaper but how do yall feel about getting the FPR from a junk yard? Bad idea?
Ill let ya know if I need that discount code, though. Thanks =)
bad idea!!!! It would be a hit or miss on parts like that you could put thr fpr in and go out 3 days from then. Its best to get that thing new

straightnastyv6
05-11-2012, 09:42 AM
You could also have a coil going out.
if a coil is going out it sould throw a misfire code

xpbr2000
05-11-2012, 09:53 AM
if a coil is going out it sould throw a misfire code

not always. only if its missing a lot. once every 5-10 revs it probably won't throw a code. also she has OBD 1.5 idk if you can read a misfire code from those.

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 09:58 AM
not always. only if its missing a lot. once every 5-10 revs it probably won't throw a code. also she has OBD 1.5 idk if you can read a misfire code from those.

If it helps to know...the car kicks when Im in drive and have my foot on the brake. Like its trying to take off. Doesnt do it all the time but sometimes. And when taking off it sometimes hesitates..not sure if this helps pinpoint anything but worth a shot

xpbr2000
05-11-2012, 10:05 AM
i think you got a few things that need attention. i'd take it one step at a time. you replace something and it gets better, you found one of the problems. pick the most obvious first. you might need to go through the failure points of the motor and just start replacing stuff. dont change but one thing at a time, it makes it easier to trouble shoot afterwards if there an issue.

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 10:43 AM
i think you got a few things that need attention. i'd take it one step at a time. you replace something and it gets better, you found one of the problems. pick the most obvious first. you might need to go through the failure points of the motor and just start replacing stuff. dont change but one thing at a time, it makes it easier to trouble shoot afterwards if there an issue.

Ok will do . Thanks again.:wavey:

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 07:30 PM
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/Mobile%20Uploads/1336778733.jpg

Is this the purge valve? When I pull this part up on autozone.com it shows this one is for the manual transmission. The one it pulls up for my car does not have the plug port. Was my car transformed from manual to automatic???? Im so confused..:hmm: I checked this part because it was hissing (slightly)

straightnastyv6
05-11-2012, 09:34 PM
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/Mobile%20Uploads/1336778733.jpg

Is this the purge valve? When I pull this part up on autozone.com it shows this one is for the manual transmission. The one it pulls up for my car does not have the plug port. Was my car transformed from manual to automatic???? Im so confused..:hmm: I checked this part because it was hissing (slightly)
i bet it was hissing from all that electric tape on it

xpbr2000
05-11-2012, 09:59 PM
your correct, that is the purge valve. if its hissing then its definitely got a vacuum leak. try spraying starter fluid around it and when the engine rev thats where the vacuum leak is.

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 10:22 PM
i bet it was hissing from all that electric tape on it

:hillbilly: Sorry That was all me. I was seeing if that would seal it. Thats apparently not where it coming from though. I think its coming from the back of that part.

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 10:23 PM
your correct, that is the purge valve. if its hissing then its definitely got a vacuum leak. try spraying starter fluid around it and when the engine rev thats where the vacuum leak is.

Will try that tomorrow. Anything besides starter fluid that I can use?

xpbr2000
05-11-2012, 10:25 PM
alcohol works too, but i dont think it burns as noticeably as starter fluid.

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 10:29 PM
alcohol works too, but i dont think it burns as noticeably as starter fluid.

:o Its gonna burn??????????

straightnastyv6
05-11-2012, 10:30 PM
:hillbilly: Sorry That was all me. I was seeing if that would seal it. Thats apparently not where it coming from though. I think its coming from the back of that part.
lol its all good i belive we all used electric tape in the engine bay to stop a vac leak some were i know i did lol:dood:

xpbr2000
05-11-2012, 10:36 PM
:o Its gonna burn??????????

yeah, it will get sucked in the vacuum line and make it eventually into the intake. and race the engine a little bit.

if it starts to burn outside the engine... thats bad lol keep a fire extinguisher handy lol

dont spray a lot. spray around the line connected to it and when the idle goes up. the place you sprayed it where the leak is.

Lauraloo2552
05-11-2012, 10:41 PM
yeah, it will get sucked in the vacuum line and make it eventually into the intake. and race the engine a little bit.

if it starts to burn outside the engine... thats bad lol keep a fire extinguisher handy lol

dont spray a lot. spray around the line connected to it and when the idle goes up. the place you sprayed it where the leak is.

Oh ok. When you said burn, all i could see was flames shooting up from under the hood. :ditzy:

straightnastyv6
05-11-2012, 10:52 PM
Oh ok. When you said burn, all i could see was flames shooting up from under the hood. :ditzy:

:thatsfunny::lol:

Lauraloo2552
05-12-2012, 11:25 PM
Well we didnt get to check for the vacuum leak today because it was raining. But we bought the IAC valve last night. Im pretty sure we needed a new one ethier way. I will post an update on how its running tomorrow. Had a project due for school that I had to work on today, so the car was neglected. But I figured we could unplug the positive battery cable and let the system reset for awhile. We shall see.....

xpbr2000
05-12-2012, 11:42 PM
heres a tip for that, unhook the negative... its safer. there's always a chance to bump the wrench on something grounded. unhook the negative and it does the same thing. if you bump something while wrenching the negavtive... nothing will happen.

Lauraloo2552
05-13-2012, 12:03 AM
heres a tip for that, unhook the negative... its safer. there's always a chance to bump the wrench on something grounded. unhook the negative and it does the same thing. if you bump something while wrenching the negavtive... nothing will happen.

Thanks Dustin! Hubby said that makes sense. I was just informed that he has had that happen before. Luckily not on my car. Bit he said when he had that happen it definitely arched whatever it was that he bumped. I will keep this tip in mind next time U da man! :dood:

xpbr2000
05-13-2012, 12:31 AM
I've done it a few times. It don't help the car any lol. i've learned. same goes for replacing the battery. always disconnect the negative first, then the positive isn't part of a circuit anymore. thus won't arch to anything. :tup:

Throwback Bird
05-13-2012, 12:18 PM
Hope that fixes your problem.

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 09:54 AM
Well since we replaced the IAC vavle I can not tell anything is any different. Maybe the car has to be run for awhile before it corrects it??? I has only been driven about 5 miles since we changed it. I really think its probably the FPR but I dont much money right now. Is the FPR something that can be cleaned? Also what about the fuel injectors? Can they be taken out and cleaned as well? Just thinking of some cheap fixes at the moment...

xpbr2000
05-14-2012, 09:58 AM
the fpr will need to be replaced. as for the injectors the easiest thing to done it run a fuel system cleaner additive to you fuel. you'll notice a difference right away if any at all.

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 10:12 AM
the fpr will need to be replaced. as for the injectors the easiest thing to done it run a fuel system cleaner additive to you fuel. you'll notice a difference right away if any at all.

We have done this twice now :dis:. Seafoam and another kind of treatment. It helped with some things but not a complete fix. Guess we will just wait and see after we replace the FPR.

xpbr2000
05-14-2012, 11:01 AM
there's a good chance that's your problem

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 11:18 AM
there's a good chance that's your problem

Agreed. or vacuum leak? I tried something I read somewhere about testing the FPR it said to turn car on let it run for a bit, then shut it off and pull the vacuum line on the FPR and if gas comes out then its bad. No gas came out of mine but I dont know how reliable that test is.

Throwback Bird
05-14-2012, 12:10 PM
Is it rough like a skip?

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 12:13 PM
Is it rough like a skip?

Yes like a miss. There is a pop noise coming from the bottom end of the motor when it starts the missing sound at idle. I was told the pop/click noise was normal. I cant help but wonder if they are related though...

Throwback Bird
05-14-2012, 12:51 PM
When mine started rough idle it was a bad coil.

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 12:54 PM
When mine started rough idle it was a bad coil.

We plan on checking those too. Not sure which to do first though. Do we replace all the colis? Or is there away to find out which one is bad...

davidlb512
05-14-2012, 12:54 PM
When mine started rough idle it was a bad coil.

If this is the case, I would recommend changing your coils with the MSD Blaster coils. They're direct factory replacements, push more volts to your plugs, and they cost less than OEM too.

Throwback Bird
05-14-2012, 01:07 PM
I unplugged one wire at a time till i didnt notice a change.

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 01:11 PM
I unplugged one wire at a time till i didnt notice a change.

I thought i have heard to do that. Unplug at the coil or at the plug?

Throwback Bird
05-14-2012, 01:21 PM
I did the at coil cause its easier to get to.

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 01:22 PM
I did the at coil cause its easier to get to.

Thats what I was hoping to hear you say.:bouncer: Good to know

davidlb512
05-14-2012, 01:29 PM
You're welcome to do it at the plug if you want tho! Hahaha.

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 01:33 PM
You're welcome to do it at the plug if you want tho! Hahaha.

Oh no, now that i know I can pull it from the coil the other way is just not an option for me now :lol:

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 02:59 PM
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/Mobile%20Uploads/1337021425.jpg

Ok I checked each plug wire to see which one would not change the idle and they all sounded the same to me. So I pulled this connector and one side is corroded. I believe this is the ground for the ignition control module. Can this be the cause of the rough idle?

davidlb512
05-14-2012, 03:01 PM
I don't know without a doubt, but just from logic, I can see where that could possibly hinder the power supply to the coils, and it's not sending a strong power supply to the plugs.

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 03:06 PM
Also is it normal when you pull the plug wire off at the coil should there be a spark arcing???

davidlb512
05-14-2012, 03:16 PM
Also is it normal when you pull the plug wire off at the coil should there be a spark arcing???

Yes, that is normal if you were doing it with the car running.

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 04:17 PM
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/Mobile%20Uploads/1337021425.jpg

Ok I checked each plug wire to see which one would not change the idle and they all sounded the same to me. So I pulled this connector and one side is corroded. I believe this is the ground for the ignition control module. Can this be the cause of the rough idle?

So should I just clean this connector? I am still not 100% sure what this connector even is.

xpbr2000
05-14-2012, 04:47 PM
the air temp sensor i believe

davidlb512
05-14-2012, 04:59 PM
So should I just clean this connector? I am still not 100% sure what this connector even is.

You got a pic of where you unplugged it from?

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 05:26 PM
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/Mobile%20Uploads/1337030489.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/Mobile%20Uploads/1337030519.jpg

Throwback Bird
05-14-2012, 08:12 PM
Yeah clean that the best you can, Youve checked all your vac line towards the back of the plenum?

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Yeah clean that the best you can, Youve checked all your vac line towards the back of the plenum?

Not yet. I cant see back there for nothing. I need to get some starter fluid or alcohol to spray around and see if their is a leak.

straightnastyv6
05-14-2012, 11:04 PM
does your car sound like this by any chance
"click on picture to watch"
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb384/caspers6liter/th_101_0534.jpg (http://s1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb384/caspers6liter/?action=view&current=101_0534.mp4)

Lauraloo2552
05-14-2012, 11:32 PM
does your car sound like this by any chance
"click on picture to watch"
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb384/caspers6liter/th_101_0534.jpg (http://s1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb384/caspers6liter/?action=view&current=101_0534.mp4)
Yes it does! Do you know what it is? Also my rpm's are lower than that at idle. Im only varying between 900 to 1000.

Throwback Bird
05-14-2012, 11:47 PM
Not yet. I cant see back there for nothing. I need to get some starter fluid or alcohol to spray around and see if their is a leak.

WD40 works too. spray all down where the intake bolt to the heads to make sur the Intake gaskets are sealing.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 12:05 AM
WD40 works too. spray all down where the intake bolt to the heads to make sur the Intake gaskets are sealing.

Ok thanks. If i don't figure out the issue before the Hubby gets home with a can of something, I will be trying this tomorrow. Thanks for the help!

Throwback Bird
05-15-2012, 12:09 AM
Ok thanks. If i don't figure out the issue before the Hubby gets home with a can of something, I will be trying this tomorrow. Thanks for the help!

Well I try to help, be easier listen to it and if I could get my hands on it, lol.

davidlb512
05-15-2012, 12:41 AM
Yes it does! Do you know what it is? Also my rpm's are lower than that at idle. Im only varying between 900 to 1000.

Your car idles at 900-1000 RPM's??? Is that when it's cold?

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 08:26 AM
Your car idles at 900-1000 RPM's??? Is that when it's cold?

That's all the time! ???? What should it be???

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 08:46 AM
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/Mobile%20Uploads/1337085169.jpg

Apparently something we did yesterday pissed ole girl off! We cleaned all the connectors to the ICM and JB Welded the exhaust pipes yesterday... The car was running great this morning and then the dang SES light wanted to show its pretty face. Im so confused...:hmm:

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 09:04 AM
Well I try to help, be easier listen to it and if I could get my hands on it, lol.

Well you cant get ur hands on it but...u can listen
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/th_VIDEO0018.jpg (http://s1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/?action=view&current=VIDEO0018.mp4)

Throwback Bird
05-15-2012, 09:21 AM
I dont know, that looks like where mine idles, i think if it was a vac leak the rpms would be higher.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 09:24 AM
I dont know, that looks like where mine idles, i think if it was a vac leak the rpms would be higher.

Well that is reassuring. Hopefully not a vacuum then. I think my car hates me.:dis:

Throwback Bird
05-15-2012, 09:29 AM
Hahaha, naw.

Throwback Bird
05-15-2012, 09:39 AM
You have new o2 sensors?

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 09:40 AM
You have new o2 sensors?

yup, we changed both shortly after we bought the car

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 09:42 AM
that sounds like its running pretty good. i do notice a misfire (i think thats what i heard) on occansion. its pretty noisy under the hood.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 09:45 AM
that sounds like its running pretty good. i do notice a misfire (i think thats what i heard) on occansion. its pretty noisy under the hood.

yea, its pretty random. It was running good today but I dont understand why the SES light came on. It hasnt come on in a long time. And the car was running a little warmer this morning.

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 09:48 AM
you may have forgot to plug up one of them connectors? could be a failing sensor.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 09:49 AM
you may have forgot to plug up one of them connectors? could be a failing sensor.

ill check that, you never know....

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 09:50 AM
it suck that you dont have OBDII. then you can get it scanned and know what it is.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 10:19 AM
it suck that you dont have OBDII. then you can get it scanned and know what it is.

tell me about it! I have a question... I was just removing the black battery cabel and it sounded like rice krispies, is that normal?? All the connectors were connected so I figured I would try and reset the system again..

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 10:21 AM
Oh yea.. and my dash lights and parking lights come on now... what is going on? My car is officially possessed. :confused:

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 11:18 AM
tell me about it! I have a question... I was just removing the black battery cabel and it sounded like rice krispies, is that normal?? All the connectors were connected so I figured I would try and reset the system again..

its going to arch/spark a little when you pull the cable off. just tuck it away from the negative on the battery. if its touching the battery terminal at all its going to try to arch.

Oh yea.. and my dash lights and parking lights come on now... what is going on? My car is officially possessed. :confused:

? come on with out you turning the switch?

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 11:21 AM
its going to arch/spark a little when you pull the cable off. just tuck it away from the negative on the battery. if its touching the battery terminal at all its going to try to arch.



? come on with out you turning the switch?

Yes! they have never come on before with the car just running. Only if I turn the headlights on do they ever come on. Seems like everytime we disconnect the battery and then reconnect it, something new happens! Your guess is as good as mine...:bouncer:

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 11:23 AM
Maybe since the connectors were cleaned stuff is actually getting power? Maybe my check engine light was supposed to have been on all along...

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 11:24 AM
hold on there, you disconnecting the battery while the car is off and waiting 15 min, then reconnecting the battery, then starting the car. and the light come on by themselves? instantly or is there a delay?

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 11:28 AM
hold on there, you disconnecting the battery while the car is off and waiting 15 min, then reconnecting the battery, then starting the car. and the light come on by themselves? instantly or is there a delay?

Yes by themeselves! I havent noticed if it is instant or not but I noticed the other day that when I started the car the dash lights came on like the headlights were turned on, but the headlights were not on. Then today I was looking and the dang parking lights are on while the cars running. They didnt use to do that.:hmm:

davidlb512
05-15-2012, 11:33 AM
DRL maybe???

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 12:13 PM
i dont think they started using DRL's until 97. I could be wrong though.

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 12:16 PM
i'd leave the battery unhooked for a long time. even turn the key to on and discharge all the circuits. let it sit for 30 min or more. then reconnect the battery, wait a few minutes, then turn the key to on.... dont crank it until 30 sec or more passes. this will give the PCM time to read all the hardware.

then check to see what is or isn't working properly.

davidlb512
05-15-2012, 12:23 PM
i dont think they started using DRL's until 97. I could be wrong though.

I just did a quick Google search, and saw a few different part numbers for a 1995 Camaro DRL relay. So maybe it was an option??? I know my '95 'Bird didn't have them tho.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 12:29 PM
i'd leave the battery unhooked for a long time. even turn the key to on and discharge all the circuits. let it sit for 30 min or more. then reconnect the battery, wait a few minutes, then turn the key to on.... dont crank it until 30 sec or more passes. this will give the PCM time to read all the hardware.

then check to see what is or isn't working properly.

So leave the key in the "on" position with the battery unhooked?

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 12:33 PM
yeah i see a t61 in my assembly pages also. however they connect to a module for the headlamps which says (export) on it. so it may only be for the exported f-body's

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 12:33 PM
So leave the key in the "on" position with the battery unhooked?

yeah just for a sec. it will use up all the juice left in the circuits without a battery connected

you need to put it back to the off position when you connect the battery

davidlb512
05-15-2012, 12:35 PM
yeah i see a t61 in my assembly pages also. however they connect to a module for the headlamps which says (export) on it. so it may only be for the exported f-body's

Oh ok. Yea, there are some European countries that have required that cars have DRL's since the '80's.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 12:50 PM
yeah just for a sec. it will use up all the juice left in the circuits without a battery connected

you need to put it back to the off position when you connect the battery

Ok will do!:wavey: Thanks, will let ya know later what comes of all this. Is it too early for a beer?????

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 02:02 PM
never lol

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 02:19 PM
Ok after doing this, when I cranked the car it idled way up at first and then dropped back down to where it usually idles at. The SES light came on as soon as I cranked the car. This is a new issue. The check engine light only used to come on sometimes after you had been driving for a while and would not be on the next time you cranked the car. It sounds louder now than before and like it is juiced up for some reason. If this problem is a pain in the butt for yall please dont feel obligated, I do not want to stress anyone else out like me. But if you enjoy cracking the code have at it. :banghead:

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 02:26 PM
you have a vacuum leak it sounds like. that is the only reason i can think of that would cause the rpms to race up.

other than that the TPS sensor could be going bad. (throttle position sensor)

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 02:35 PM
you have a vacuum leak it sounds like. that is the only reason i can think of that would cause the rpms to race up.

other than that the TPS sensor could be going bad. (throttle position sensor)

If one of those things are the problem I will be a very happy girl! When the hubby gets off work he is supposed to be bringing the spray to check for the vacuum leak. Can I take the TPS out and clean it?

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 02:39 PM
Can I take the TPS out and clean it?

Not likely. The contacts are probably worn down. However you can unplug it. The pcm should go into open circuit mode maybe it will improve the idle. You can't run it open circuit like than but maybe it will help pinpoint your issue

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 02:43 PM
Not likely. The contacts are probably worn down. However you can unplug it. The pcm should go into open circuit mode maybe it will improve the idle. You can't run it open circuit like than but maybe it will help pinpoint your issue

So I can unplug it then run the car at idle for a few minutes and see what it does?

straightnastyv6
05-15-2012, 02:59 PM
Yes it does! Do you know what it is? Also my rpm's are lower than that at idle. Im only varying between 900 to 1000.
that problem was caused by the fpr valve. When i pulled the hose off of the fpr it was dumping gas out

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 02:59 PM
yeah

straightnastyv6
05-15-2012, 03:08 PM
just cuzz i like you here is a way to scan you obd1 and figure out the problem all you need is a paper clip and a extra set of eyes
http://sethirdgen.org/dtc.htm
I had to do the same thing on my 1992 camaro

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 03:24 PM
just cuzz i like you here is a way to scan you obd1 and figure out the problem all you need is a paper clip and a extra set of eyes
http://sethirdgen.org/dtc.htm
I had to do the same thing on my 1992 camaro

do you know how long I have been trying to find the bootleg way to do this! I knew there was a way to do it but I wasnt sure how to go about it! You rock :dood:

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 03:25 PM
indeed brian pull his weight today lol

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 03:26 PM
Ok I unplugged the TPS and the car idled up to 1500rmp's. So what does this mean?

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 03:27 PM
Yes I will be trying the paper clip method when the hubby gets home!! Im feeling a little more positive at the moment :excited:

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 03:29 PM
I would say that the it a vacuum leak still. you hearing a hiss under the hood right.


Edit: the reason being that by unplugging the tps it raced up which mean the tps is doing its job tellnig the PCM that the throttle isn't open

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 03:30 PM
I would say that the it a vacuum leak still. you hearing a hiss under the hood right.

I was hearing a slight hiss coming from the purge vavle connector thing but its so hard to tell from all the noise under there. that is where the spray will come in handy:dood:

straightnastyv6
05-15-2012, 03:34 PM
do you know how long I have been trying to find the bootleg way to do this! I knew there was a way to do it but I wasnt sure how to go about it! You rock :dood:
if i remeber correct it will start blinking. i will blink for 2 then stop blinking for about 2 secs then the second set of blinks will start watch carefully when doing this or you have to restart the test

indeed brian pull his weight today lol
I know right hehehe i pull my weight some times around here:bouncer:

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 03:36 PM
I was hearing a slight hiss coming from the purge vavle connector thing but its so hard to tell from all the noise under there. that is where the spray will come in handy:dood:

keep in mind that if the fpr is bad its dumping fuel into the vacuum lines. so if you spray and get no result then you might try unhooking the vacuum and blocking it with your thumb. i'm almost inclined to think you got more than just one problem. you vacuum leak and a leaking fpr could cause this.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 03:39 PM
keep in mind that if the fpr is bad its dumping fuel into the vacuum lines. so if you spray and get no result then you might try unhooking the vacuum and blocking it with your thumb. i'm almost inclined to think you got more than just one problem. you vacuum leak and a leaking fpr could cause this.

Ok Ill try this 2nd then. I have pulled the vacumm line off of the fpr before but not while running. I was told if you pull it off after you have run the car and fuel comes out then your fpr is bad. No fuel came out of mine but im not sure how reliable that test it. So i will try your test too after I spray.

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 04:29 PM
yeah the fuel rail is pressurized about 40 psi while running. if the fpr it bleeding off the pressure then it will be sitting in the vacuum line.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 07:11 PM
Not sure if this is going to make any since or not but here we go....I tried the paper clip method and i got nothing but the door locks locking and unlocking. No flash of the SES nothing. I was told by an employee at Oriely's AP that if the cigarette lighter is not hooked up then you can not pull codes from the vehicle. Well guess what, my cigarette lighter is merely for decoration. It is an empty box. If someone could show me a picture of what is suppose to hook up to the cigarette lighter it would be most helpful. I feel like I am running in circles....:banghead:

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 07:21 PM
yeah the fuel rail is pressurized about 40 psi while running. if the fpr it bleeding off the pressure then it will be sitting in the vacuum line.

When I plug the vacuum to the FPR while its running, the motor boggs down. Is this good or bad?

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 10:42 PM
When I plug the vacuum to the FPR while its running, the motor boggs down. Is this good or bad?

it should lower the rpms.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 10:54 PM
Ok we tried the vacuum test with the starting fluid and there was no change in the idle and we sprayed every vacuum line that I am aware of. So now I must decide on which part or parts to buy with this pay check...1. EGR valve 2. ICM or 3. camshaft and crankshaft PS Only have $100 to spare this check. Anyone have any input on which one to buy?

straightnastyv6
05-15-2012, 11:00 PM
Ok we tried the vacuum test with the starting fluid and there was no change in the idle and we sprayed every vacuum line that I am aware of. So now I must decide on which part or parts to buy with this pay check...1. EGR valve 2. ICM or 3. camshaft and crankshaft PS Only have $100 to spare this check. Anyone have any input on which one to buy? fpr valve it will help you trust me

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 11:00 PM
nay on the egr

the ICM (i guess you mean the coils), and you may have already but the plugs and plug wires are also a must if your swapping out coils.

cam and crank sensors yeah. change one at a time.

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 11:01 PM
fpr valve it will help you trust me

:thatsfunny:

you might need to take his word on this. he may never stop yelling lol

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 11:03 PM
So the fact that there was no fuel coming out of the vacuum line is irrelevant???? I thought that part was null now cause it passed the test???

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 11:06 PM
nay on the egr

the ICM (i guess you mean the coils), and you may have already but the plugs and plug wires are also a must if your swapping out coils.

cam and crank sensors yeah. change one at a time.

No I was actually referring to the ignition control module it the part the coils sit on with the connectors. only reason i say this is because thats what we cleaned yesterday and today the car went to shit...=)

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 11:11 PM
or is it possible that the FPR could not be allowing enough fuel to get through hence there would be no fuel in the vacuum? Im so confused..my brain hurts:confused:

xpbr2000
05-15-2012, 11:27 PM
or is it possible that the FPR could not be allowing enough fuel to get through hence there would be no fuel in the vacuum? Im so confused..my brain hurts:confused:

no the fpr only lets fuel leak out. its not a gateway. its actually at the end of the line.

on your vacuum lines. you may try pulling one off and covering the holes with your hands. listen for the hissing the rubber boots may be dry rotting and let air pass through them. just an idea. without having my hands on it you know.

Lauraloo2552
05-15-2012, 11:37 PM
no the fpr only lets fuel leak out. its not a gateway. its actually at the end of the line.

on your vacuum lines. you may try pulling one off and covering the holes with your hands. listen for the hissing the rubber boots may be dry rotting and let air pass through them. just an idea. without having my hands on it you know.

Ok I will try this tomorrow. U don't think the spraying technique would have caught it?

3.8blackmaro
05-16-2012, 08:06 AM
Your fpr is fine. Just gonna let you know icms aren't cheap.

Throwback Bird
05-16-2012, 08:20 AM
just cuzz i like you here is a way to scan you obd1 and figure out the problem all you need is a paper clip and a extra set of eyes
http://sethirdgen.org/dtc.htm
I had to do the same thing on my 1992 camaro

cant do that with 94 and later. its a locked system

I still think it may be a vac leak, I agree with everything dustin says. your SES light sounds like mine when you first crank up the motor its not on till after it runs for a while then it turns its self on but my car doesnt seem to change how it runs.

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 08:25 AM
Your fpr is fine. Just gonna let you know icms aren't cheap.

Yea I looked at the ICMs online. I can get mine for $99. Thats why I am hesitant to buy that one because that will be the only part I can get this pay period. :confused:

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 08:26 AM
cant do that with 94 and later. its a locked system

I still think it may be a vac leak, I agree with everything dustin says. your SES light sounds like mine when you first crank up the motor its not on till after it runs for a while then it turns its self on but my car doesnt seem to change how it runs.

Oh my SES light is staying on now, from the moment I crank the car. Its there everytime now since I messed with the ICM connectors anyway. The car is running like poo now =(

Throwback Bird
05-16-2012, 08:26 AM
cant do that with 94 and later. its a locked system

I still think it may be a vac leak, I agree with everything dustin says. your SES light sounds like mine when you first crank up the motor its not on till after it runs for a while then it turns its self on but my car doesnt seem to change how it runs.

:wavey:

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 08:36 AM
Also if it helps to know, the car is surging at idle now and my shift times are lagging while driving, and my exhaust sounds really loud. :confused: and shes running HOT at idle.

3.8blackmaro
05-16-2012, 08:41 AM
Did you change the iac valve yet? The surging at idle sounds is most Mikey because of that.

Throwback Bird
05-16-2012, 08:41 AM
Ahh, Im about stumped, lol.

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 08:42 AM
Did you change the iac valve yet? The surging at idle sounds is most Mikey because of that.

Yup changed it sat.

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 08:43 AM
Ahh, Im about stumped, lol.

Me tooooo:confused: If yall have anyother test I can perform to check something feel free to throw it out there...Ill record video of it if it helps

3.8blackmaro
05-16-2012, 08:47 AM
A GM dealership would be able to get the code off of it for you but it might not be cheap to do so.

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 08:49 AM
A GM dealership would be able to get the code off of it for you but it might not be cheap to do so.

Its $100 :dis: I would rather replace stuff till I find it. Also have you heard of the fact that you cant pull codes off a car with the cigarette lighter not hooked up? Someone told me this and I have never heard of such, but my cigarette lighter is just a decoy.

Throwback Bird
05-16-2012, 09:28 AM
Its $100 :dis: I would rather replace stuff till I find it. Also have you heard of the fact that you cant pull codes off a car with the cigarette lighter not hooked up? Someone told me this and I have never heard of such, but my cigarette lighter is just a decoy.

Wow never heard that one.

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 09:34 AM
Wow never heard that one.

me ethier..

xpbr2000
05-16-2012, 11:05 AM
because of its age you'll going to need to check the rubber hoses. they dryrot and the spary trick may only let it seep in rather than get sucked in.

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 11:22 AM
because of its age you'll going to need to check the rubber hoses. they dryrot and the spary trick may only let it seep in rather than get sucked in.

just the vacuum rubber hoses right? i will do this today for sure

xpbr2000
05-16-2012, 11:30 AM
yeah. they run back and forth on the 3.8's. 3.4's i'm sure aren't that different.

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 12:01 PM
Im going to have diagnostics run at 1:00 pm today at a mechanics shop. Wish me luck..:excited:

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 05:21 PM
got code 42...so we will start by removing the coils and the ICM then check it all and clean

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 05:28 PM
Im not sure that this is a fuel system thread any longer...:hmm:

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 10:18 PM
Its fixed!!! Well for now....:dood:

Hubby(JFish95V6) took her for a victory lap too. I dont know why I didnt record mine... Id say she running GREAT!
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/th_VIDEO0028.jpg (http://s1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/?action=view&current=VIDEO0028.mp4)

JFish95V6
05-16-2012, 10:55 PM
Its fixed!!! Well for now....:dood:

Hubby(JFish95V6) took her for a victory lap too. I dont know why I didnt record mine... Id say she running GREAT!
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/th_VIDEO0028.jpg (http://s1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg628/LauraLoo2552/?action=view&current=VIDEO0028.mp4)

yeah buddy!!! :burnout:

straightnastyv6
05-16-2012, 11:11 PM
No I was actually referring to the ignition control module it the part the coils sit on with the connectors. only reason i say this is because thats what we cleaned yesterday and today the car went to shit...=)you can take your icm in to autozone to get it tested

Lauraloo2552
05-16-2012, 11:16 PM
you can take your icm in to autozone to get it tested

Thats good to know. We went and had diagnostics run at a local mechanics shop. =0 Code 42 pulled. Which is the ICM. So we bought a new one but I wanted to try cleaning the exsisting one first. Good thing we tried that cause now it works. No SES light and the car is running great. We will be taking the new ICM back in for a refund.

Throwback Bird
05-17-2012, 08:19 AM
Another 3.4 lives on!

xpbr2000
05-17-2012, 09:36 AM
that's awesome Laura!! i'm glad its finally fixed. and you now know its not possessed lol

Lauraloo2552
05-17-2012, 10:18 AM
that's awesome Laura!! i'm glad its finally fixed. and you now know its not possessed lol

Yes, she is not possessed. Tempermental maybe but not possessed, :bouncer: