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DarkHart
01-28-2013, 11:11 PM
So I'm looking into buying some Pacesetter headers, how difficult would they be to install? I mean, it should be as simple as bolting it up where the manifold is but, would I have to move anything else out of the way to fit them initially?

thake618
01-28-2013, 11:31 PM
no should bolt right up im getting some in the spring for my 3.4 they have the headers and gthey come with a y pipe that bolts to the headers

Bonemaro
01-28-2013, 11:37 PM
What year?

thake618
01-28-2013, 11:44 PM
I belive his intro said 98 3.8
What year?

DarkHart
01-28-2013, 11:58 PM
What year?

Oh, right. 1998 3.8L. Also, thinking of getting the Cermaic headers instead of the coated since I found some guy selling brand new ones for $175

Bonemaro
01-29-2013, 12:14 AM
My Pacesetters went on pretty derned easy. I didn't have the problems some folks have.

One thing I would recommend is getting a can of PB Blaster and soaking the header bolts every night for three or so nights before the install. I did this and my bolts damn near twisted out by hand.

Also, a set of angled ratcheting wrenches will be your friend.

SixShooter'00Camaro
01-29-2013, 12:21 AM
Install is not bad. Spray the stock manifold bolts with PB Blaster, it will loosen them up and prevent any of them from breaking. I sprayed mine everyday for 3 days before I got under the hood and all the stock bolts came out smooth. You can get to most of the bolts from the top but a few will need to be worked on from the bottom. The only thing you need to move is plugs and wires, so that's a good time for new plugs and wires. The stock manifolds will drop out from the bottom as well as the pacesetters going in from the bottom. Get some grade 8 replacement bolts from the hardware store as get some good gaskets. I had Abbott Racing make me a set for $30 bucks. The hardest part of the install was getting the egr tube moved to fit the pacesetters. Take your time and don't rush and it's a pretty smooth install. Good luck.

DarkHart
01-29-2013, 12:26 AM
Alright cool. Getting the bolts off shouldn't be too hard. I know how big of a pain that can be, when I had to take off the exhaust before. I since installed the stock manifold with new bolts.

So I'd have to have the gaskets custom made from a place like Abbott Racing if they don't come supplied with the headers?

insidethreat07
01-29-2013, 12:32 AM
Mine came with gaskets. But I ordered a set off ebay. I've had everything for like 6 month to do my headers lol

Ibanezz
01-29-2013, 12:35 AM
I believe a set comes with them but I heard pacesetter header gaskets suck and getting them from another source can save you a lot of headaches

DarkHart
01-29-2013, 12:54 AM
I'm having a hard time finding any other gaskets for it. Can someone link me or direct me somewhere specific?

Bonemaro
01-29-2013, 01:06 AM
Alright cool. Getting the bolts off shouldn't be too hard. I know how big of a pain that can be, when I had to take off the exhaust before. I since installed the stock manifold with new bolts.

So I'd have to have the gaskets custom made from a place like Abbott Racing if they don't come supplied with the headers?

Abbott's aren't custom made, they are simply made for the 3800. I've used them on both my 3800's. Nice gasket. They are like $35 shipped.


Kenneth Abbott
403 S.E. County Rd.
Crane, Texas 79731

432-558-2841
abbottracingheads@hotmail.com

fbodyrs96
01-29-2013, 02:22 AM
the ones autozone sells by Victor Reinz/Exhaust Manifold Gasket, are just like oem and lots of people use them with no problems.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Victor-Reinz-Exhaust-Manifold-Gasket/1998-Chevrolet-Camaro/_/N-j9rm9Z9l39g?itemIdentifier=148583_0_0_

3.8blackmaro
01-29-2013, 03:57 AM
Its not too annoying. I did mine a few years back. I recommend getting them things soaked in blaster for days before you go to take them out.

xpbr2000
01-29-2013, 09:55 AM
I got sce copper gaskets and they've been great. I haven't have to re-tighten at all either.

DarkHart
01-29-2013, 03:46 PM
Alright thanks people. Just ordered the Pacesetters and Gaskets from Abbott. Hopefully gonna be installing it next weekend.

SixShooter'00Camaro
01-29-2013, 04:24 PM
There's also a write up floating around if you wanted to look at that.

DarkHart
01-29-2013, 06:33 PM
There's also a write up floating around if you wanted to look at that.

Yeah, felt stupid when I saw it last night a bit after I posted this. But still, useful information on both accounts.

Bonemaro
01-29-2013, 06:41 PM
Alright thanks people. Just ordered the Pacesetters and Gaskets from Abbott. Hopefully gonna be installing it next weekend.

I approve this message. :tup:

thake618
01-29-2013, 09:55 PM
how much did they run you? what ones did you get
Alright thanks people. Just ordered the Pacesetters and Gaskets from Abet
bott. Hopefully gonna be installing it next weekend.

fbodyrs96
01-29-2013, 10:21 PM
Hey thake618 why do you have 1996 3.4 listed in your title?

thake618
01-29-2013, 10:34 PM
haha that's a great question.. fixing now
Hey thake618 why do you have 1996 3.4 listed in your title?

DarkHart
01-29-2013, 10:54 PM
how much did they run you? what ones did you get

I just got the painted ones. I was gonna get the Ceramic Armor Coated ones but said fuck it. No big deal to me. I got em for about $220. And $35 for the Abbott gaskets.

Headers should actually be here tomorrow if not the next day because they shipped from a warehouse only about an hour away. Gaskets I'm not sure about, hope they come by Friday.

thake618
01-29-2013, 11:06 PM
yea screw the armor coats hahah. I was looking at headers too and one of the members that I belive got the ceramic ones (if those are the painted ones). they said the paint on them isn't the best. someone correct me if they haven't had issues.... but they said they sanded the paint off and got a high temp paint and put there own on cuz the stuff on there burt off. now anyone feel free to correct me.

fbodyrs96
01-29-2013, 11:17 PM
Yes, make sure you strip and repaint in hi temp paint

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa224/jbody02/Forum%20pics/IMG_5278.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa224/jbody02/Forum%20pics/IMG_5280.jpg

thake618
01-29-2013, 11:26 PM
glad i relayed some good info. if you don't care if they rust then you might not have to do anything but mine as well repaint. scuffing it up and repainting it wont help a bit
Yes, make sure you strip and repaint in hi temp paint

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa224/jbody02/Forum%20pics/IMG_5278.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa224/jbody02/Forum%20pics/IMG_5280.jpg

DarkHart
01-29-2013, 11:26 PM
Well I heard it's not so bad if you wait till they start smoking on initial start up, then shut the car off and let the paint cure. And repeat that process a few times.

thake618
01-29-2013, 11:29 PM
never heard that, may be correct. if no 1 knows mabey contact pacesetter ands ask them what they reccoment
Well I heard it's not so bad if you wait till they start smoking on initial start up, then shut the car off and let the paint cure. And repeat that process a few times.

DarkHart
01-29-2013, 11:40 PM
never heard that, may be correct. if no 1 knows mabey contact pacesetter ands ask them what they reccoment

Well I guess it'll really depend on how lazy I'm feeling. I mean it's no big deal to paint them, but there's no way it could basically be part of factory design still that they come with paint that just comes off instantly. At least I'd assume not :P So I might give it a try.

thake618
01-29-2013, 11:45 PM
im sure it dosent come off instantly but with heat and weather it may begin to degrade. let me know if you find out more

DarkHart
01-29-2013, 11:49 PM
im sure it dosent come off instantly but with heat and weather it may begin to degrade. let me know if you find out more

Will do.

thake618
01-29-2013, 11:51 PM
are you installing headers to your stock exhaust?

DarkHart
01-30-2013, 12:05 AM
are you installing headers to your stock exhaust?

Well, I got into an accident about 4 months ago that damaged my stock exhaust system. So insurance paid for me to get all new piping and muffler. (I believe the shop ordered a Magnaflow muffler. I had a Thrush before and it still sounds the same)
It looks like the Y-Pipe was basically an OEM replacement, so I'm hoping it fits well.

nismo923
01-30-2013, 12:52 AM
I just got the Ceramic Coated ones. I was gonna get the Armor Coated ones but said fuck it. No big deal to me. I got em for about $220. And $35 for the Abbott gaskets.


Isn't the ceramic coated ones the more expensive ones on SummitRacing.com? If so, why would you want to remove an already good coating? Usually the guys that strip them and repaint them are the ones that buy the cheaper, black painted ones.

DarkHart
01-30-2013, 01:01 AM
Isn't the ceramic coated ones the more expensive ones on SummitRacing.com? If so, why would you want to remove an already good coating? Usually the guys that strip them and repaint them are the ones that buy the cheaper, black painted ones.

My bad, yeah. I'm buying the black painted ones I meant to say. I was going to buy the ceramics initially.

nismo923
01-30-2013, 01:18 AM
Ok. Then yes, sandblast and high-temp paint when you get them. That way, you won't have to remove them once they're already installed.

fbodyrs96
01-30-2013, 02:09 AM
The stock paint, will flake right off.

DarkHart
01-30-2013, 02:24 AM
The stock paint, will flake right off.

Eh alright I'll take your word for it. I'll just get it sandblasted and paint it since I got the time for it.

fbodyrs96
01-30-2013, 04:09 AM
Air craft stripper will take it right off.

DarkHart
01-30-2013, 02:08 PM
Air craft stripper will take it right off.

Yeah I was gonna get some kinda stripper and get it off. Got all I need right now. Just waiting on the headers to be delivered.

I dunno why they put paint on that just flakes right off. I even contacted Pacesetters and they said it'll just burn right off pretty quickly.

3.8blackmaro
01-30-2013, 02:10 PM
I just torched mine before I put them on it. After a good torching the paint just flaked off. It will just burn off after a few heat cycles though. Sucks you didn't join up earlier I have a spare set of headers but no y pipe.

DarkHart
01-30-2013, 02:27 PM
I just torched mine before I put them on it. After a good torching the paint just flaked off. It will just burn off after a few heat cycles though. Sucks you didn't join up earlier I have a spare set of headers but no y pipe.

Haha, how much did ya want for em outta curiosity?

3.8blackmaro
01-30-2013, 03:14 PM
No idea probably 50 or something. I only got the set for the y pipe.

DarkHart
01-30-2013, 03:24 PM
Well..no go on the headers today. FedEx fuckin missed my house again. Wish they woulda shipped UPS. FedEx misses my houses every time without fail

xpbr2000
01-30-2013, 05:50 PM
I dunno why they put paint on that just flakes right off. I even contacted Pacesetters and they said it'll just burn right off pretty quickly.

to keep it from rusting before you install them...

Bonemaro
01-30-2013, 07:41 PM
VHT paint stayed on for years.

insidethreat07
01-30-2013, 08:00 PM
Eh alright I'll take your word for it. I'll just get it sandblasted and paint it since I got the time for it.


Air craft stripper will take it right off.

This. Air craft stripper is awesome. Used it on mine. Worked like a charm

insidethreat07
01-30-2013, 08:01 PM
I might of missed it but are you changing plugs as well? If not might as well. Would make your life a lot easier while the manifolds are off. IMO

thake618
01-30-2013, 10:08 PM
are they for the 3.8 or 3.4
No idea probably 50 or something. I only got the set for the y pipe.

thake618
01-30-2013, 10:08 PM
the headers should come with a y pipe am I correct?

fbodyrs96
01-30-2013, 10:16 PM
the headers should come with a y pipe am I correct?

New they do, used may not.

thake618
01-30-2013, 10:38 PM
hes getting new I believe
New they do, used may not.

DarkHart
01-30-2013, 11:54 PM
It's for a 3.8L And yes I bought new so it came with the Y. I actually just got done getting all the paint off them and re-painting them with my own VHT spray after tracking the FedEx guy down. Just letting them dry now.

fbodyrs96
01-31-2013, 02:04 AM
Make sure you bake them in the oven or it won't last

Bonemaro
01-31-2013, 07:12 AM
Make sure you bake them in the oven or it won't last

That's what they say, but I never baked my VHT paint. I love that stuff.

fbodyrs96
01-31-2013, 08:45 AM
Wasn't worth the risk for me, only takes a few hours so why not?

Bonemaro
01-31-2013, 09:58 AM
Might as well. I painted mine on the car though, so I didn't have that option. I baked it the second time, but it isn't staying on. I think maybe I put it on too heavy and it's cracking due to heat expansion. I might try to pull them before G17 and redo them.

DarkHart
01-31-2013, 01:21 PM
On the VHT site it says you can pretty much use your car to bake them once they're on. Start it up and let it idle for 10 minutes, shut off and let it cool. Do it again for 20 minutes. Let it cool. Then go drive it for 30 minutes. So that's what I'm gonna end up doing. Though I am using a torch now to try to help the curing process. It seems to actually be helping a bit.

Bonemaro
01-31-2013, 06:15 PM
On the VHT site it says you can pretty much use your car to bake them once they're on. Start it up and let it idle for 10 minutes, shut off and let it cool. Do it again for 20 minutes. Let it cool. Then go drive it for 30 minutes. So that's what I'm gonna end up doing. Though I am using a torch now to try to help the curing process. It seems to actually be helping a bit.

That's exactly what I did. It smoked like a mo fo, but never bunt off.

DarkHart
01-31-2013, 07:01 PM
That's exactly what I did. It smoked like a mo fo, but never bunt off.

Yup, that's what I'm hopin for. Just got done torching it for like the 4th time. I got it to the point where they stopped smoking after I'd hold it in the collectors and each individual head. So I think they're at least partially cured. Gonna let the engine do the rest.

DarkHart
02-01-2013, 12:26 AM
http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m565/DarkHart077/IMAG0584_zps251a979f.jpg

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m565/DarkHart077/IMAG0586_zps32301a7a.jpg

That's after I re-painted and tried my hand at torching them a bit. They honestly look better in person. Now I've just got hopes that the gaskets come tomorrow or Saturday.

Bonemaro
02-01-2013, 07:04 AM
Abbott usually ships fast.

DarkHart
02-01-2013, 03:14 PM
Well damn. No dice today. If they don't come tomorrow I may have to hold off on doin it for another month or 2. Ah well

It's a shame I can't seem to find any places that keep any kind of header gaskets in stock around here either. Is it a viable option to just use my stock manifold gaskets plus the use of some Ultra Copper High Temp RTV gasket maker?

Bonemaro
02-01-2013, 03:44 PM
Patience grasshopper...

fbodyrs96
02-01-2013, 04:27 PM
AutoZone, be there next day.

DarkHart
02-01-2013, 05:08 PM
AutoZone, be there next day.

Eh, not my Autozone. They usually take around 3-4 days for any kind of part.

fbodyrs96
02-01-2013, 05:16 PM
That sucks, advance auto? They can do same day here sometimes.

DarkHart
02-01-2013, 05:19 PM
That sucks, advance auto? They can do same day here sometimes.

I may check with em.

DarkHart
02-01-2013, 10:47 PM
Well. Day 1 of taking the stock manifold off has been a bitch. Was working on it from like 4 to now. Managed to at least get the y pipe off and most of the bolts off the driver's side manifold.

Video
02-01-2013, 10:55 PM
Eh, not my Autozone. They usually take around 3-4 days for any kind of part.

Parts that need to be shipped factory direct take about that long where I work. If we can get it from another store or the warehouse we can have it either the same day or the next. However that's OEM parts. If your looking for performance on anything but a Chevy 350 you better order it online. That's Advance Auto though, I assume Autozone is the same.

3.8blackmaro
02-01-2013, 11:11 PM
Well. Day 1 of taking the stock manifold off has been a bitch. Was working on it from like 4 to now. Managed to at least get the y pipe off and most of the bolts off the driver's side manifold.

Fun fun those heat shields get in the way too. Offset wrenches will be your friend.

fbodyrs96
02-01-2013, 11:21 PM
Idk, never had to wait more than a day at ether of our stores.

DarkHart
02-02-2013, 03:04 PM
So I finally got the old manifolds and Y-Pipe off. Only other problem I ran into is the old O2 sensors will not come out for the life of anyone.

Anyhow, got the Abott Racing gaskets.

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m565/DarkHart077/IMAG0587_zps00ad9059.jpg

Will I be fine just solely using them? I don't have to use them in conjunction with the stock manifold gaskets? Or will I be fine using the Abott Racing plus some RTV high temp Gasket Maker?

Bonemaro
02-02-2013, 03:25 PM
Nope, use just them. That's all you need. I never used rtv either.

The heat shields did get in my way too. I just bent them out of the way. I had the same issue with one of my O2 sensors too.

Glad you got them off. It's downhill from here.

DarkHart
02-02-2013, 03:37 PM
Nope, use just them. That's all you need. I never used rtv either.

The heat shields did get in my way too. I just bent them out of the way. I had the same issue with one of my O2 sensors too.

Glad you got them off. It's downhill from here.

Any tips for gettin the O2 sesnors off, even if I'm probably gonna buy new ones, I'd like to just try anyhow, haha. But yeah, the heat shields were a bitch of a time. We hadda bend em too.

Bonemaro
02-02-2013, 05:14 PM
They make a special socket. I was never able to get mine out.

3.8blackmaro
02-02-2013, 05:59 PM
Maybe some blaster, a torch and luck. Mine never came out.

DarkHart
02-02-2013, 06:38 PM
Turning into a headache. I took my car to a shop after an accident that my insurance allowed, they replaced my exhaust piping, and the pipe before the converter is like flattened on the top so the Y pipe doesn't fit on correctly..May needa get a new cat and some junk..sigh

Ibanezz
02-02-2013, 07:03 PM
What is the rest of your exhaust, stock? Or do you have a cat back

DarkHart
02-02-2013, 09:47 PM
Cat back. The owner before me had put it on.

Ibanezz
02-02-2013, 10:08 PM
That's good. Well if you have headers and a cat back. You might as well throw a hi flow cat on as well as the pipe leading to it that your having trouble fitting up to the y pipe. Then you'll have a kick ass exhaust man

DarkHart
02-02-2013, 10:29 PM
That's good. Well if you have headers and a cat back. You might as well throw a hi flow cat on as well as the pipe leading to it that your having trouble fitting up to the y pipe. Then you'll have a kick ass exhaust man

Haha I'd like to but I'm on a buy as I need basis right now, not buy as Id want lol

thake618
02-03-2013, 05:04 PM
catco makes a good high flow I think for around 70 80 bucks

DarkHart
02-03-2013, 05:52 PM
Eh..That's the only issue anymore is this fuckin Y-pipe to cat hookup. Whoever made my exhaust - the machine they ran it through like flattened a tenth of an inch or so and made it egg shaped on the one side of the cat.
That's the only thing keepin me from starting my car back up now. Hoping I can get a guy I know who welds to come over and help me out.

thake618
02-03-2013, 06:56 PM
get an exhaust sleeve itll act as a coupler then u can tack it with a welder if you want but it clamps.
http://thmotorsports.com/i-413704.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=413704NOFITMENT&utm_campaign=GoogleShoppingSeanNOFITMENT&adtype=pla&kw=&gclid=CPnQgIKem7UCFQ-e4AodfWgAOA

Ibanezz
02-03-2013, 07:31 PM
Clamps are horrible. I will never use clamps again. You can't just take a hammer or something and beat the pipe to a circle?

thake618
02-03-2013, 08:12 PM
are u talkjingf about sleeves or clamps? and thanks for that, now I know not to use one. I never have I just know they make a sleeve
Clamps are horrible. I will never use clamps again. You can't just take a hammer or something and beat the pipe to a circle?

DarkHart
02-03-2013, 08:17 PM
We tried taking some pliers and flaring out the pipe more, and just pounding it in with a hammer. It barely goes in far at all. But it'll do if I can get to guy to come weld it. And yeah, I tried the sleeve thing.

thake618
02-03-2013, 08:35 PM
didn't work? they seem a little thin lol just thought of it.
We tried taking some pliers and flaring out the pipe more, and just pounding it in with a hammer. It barely goes in far at all. But it'll do if I can get to guy to come weld it. And yeah, I tried the sleeve thing.

DarkHart
02-03-2013, 09:49 PM
Yeahh they didn't work..its a shame. Lucky these guys I know are pretty decent welders. But damn, the part that was supposed to be easiest turned into the hardest. I just hope its worth it after all this, haha.

Ibanezz
02-03-2013, 10:00 PM
It will be don't worry. You'll be glad you did it when it sounds like a beast and knowing your engine is breathing better

SixShooter'00Camaro
02-03-2013, 11:25 PM
It will be worth it. Start her up with open headers and take her for a drive, that will reassure you lol.

thake618
02-04-2013, 12:35 AM
worth it I know hahaheven tho I haven't done it yet. waiting for income tax
Yeahh they didn't wor..its a shame. Lucky these guys I know are pretty decent welders. But damn, the part that was supposed to be easiest turned into the hardest. I just hope its worth it after all this, haha.

fbodyrs96
02-04-2013, 01:44 AM
I couldn't tell a difference, but I also cammed at the same time.

DarkHart
02-04-2013, 12:38 PM
It will be worth it. Start her up with open headers and take her for a drive, that will reassure you lol.

Lol I totally would if I knew the people around here wouldn't complain about it and throw fits.

DarkHart
02-05-2013, 01:34 PM
So, ran into another problem. The EGR tube apparently had a decent sized crack in it now. Anyway to solve that? Maybe tape over it or something?

Bonemaro
02-05-2013, 01:45 PM
Wow. You just aren't having any luck with this. I doubt tape would hold up. You could always 86 the EGR.

DarkHart
02-05-2013, 01:48 PM
Wow. You just aren't having any luck with this. I doubt tape would hold up. You could always 86 the EGR.

I wouldn't mind doing that if it doesn't cause any performance problems. And if I had a way to make a block-off plate. And wouldn't I need to block off the intake too and have it tuned?

I at least need some kind of temporary fix till I could just delete it if I wanted to.

Ibanezz
02-05-2013, 03:02 PM
If you have emissions testing an EGR delete would cause you to fail. But it would give slightly but unnoticeable gains. And actually keep your engine cleaner... EGR just puts dirty exhaust gas into your tb

DarkHart
02-05-2013, 03:22 PM
If you have emissions testing an EGR delete would cause you to fail.

Yeah I've heard mixed things about the emissions. Not entirely sure though.

Ibanezz
02-05-2013, 03:34 PM
All depends on the state. It would fail in NY, no idea about pa. I know you can tune out codes. I have no experience with thay

xpbr2000
02-05-2013, 03:56 PM
All depends on the state. It would fail in NY, no idea about pa. I know you can tune out codes. I have no experience with thay

yes you can tune out egr codes as well as the rear o2 sensor after the cat if you deleted the cat or running a high flow cat (which still throw codes)

Ibanezz
02-05-2013, 04:36 PM
So tuning out codes removes them completely or simulates correct numbers to the ecu? Makes it pass inspection?

Bonemaro
02-05-2013, 05:37 PM
Removing the codes means there will no longer be a code the ECM can throw, thus no engine light and no problems passing emissions. I know this personally. :D

Ibanezz
02-05-2013, 05:45 PM
Awesome. I just wasn't sure that it would come up as a blank system when they plug your car in for emissions and then they're like wtf man

thake618
02-05-2013, 11:49 PM
it would fail emissions if you removed it. unless you have connections lol :)

Bonemaro
02-05-2013, 11:54 PM
How would it fail if you tune out the code?

thake618
02-06-2013, 12:00 AM
well that's possible then but you have to talke it somewere to get it tuned correct? mine as well replace it lol

Bonemaro
02-06-2013, 12:28 AM
HPTuners ftw

DarkHart
02-06-2013, 12:32 AM
Makes me wish I had a tuner..I got another code I wanna get rid of too. P0442, I think..Small EVAP leak.

DarkHart
02-06-2013, 09:19 PM
Finally all done.

Bonemaro
02-06-2013, 10:10 PM
and?

DarkHart
02-06-2013, 10:15 PM
and?

Well, I'm gonna give it a good run tomorrow. Was just letting it idle and bake the paint on tonight yet. Sounds good though as far as I can tell. There's a slight rattle though when revving it a bit. Think it might be the drivers side flange connecting the Y-pipe to the headers or maybe the clamp. Dunno, no biggie though.

Paint seemed to cook on pretty well too :tup: Didn't flake off at all, and only smoked a little bit, once.

3.8blackmaro
02-06-2013, 10:40 PM
Not sure if you got locking bolts at all, but I would make sure the header bolts dont back out at all.

DarkHart
02-06-2013, 10:42 PM
Not sure if you got locking bolts at all, but I would make sure the header bolts dont back out at all.

I'll check em again in a couple hundred miles. I was gonna try to use the bolts that were on my manifolds, as they were fairly new, high grade bolts (only about a year old). But they were a bit too long because of the added thickness of the gasket I got from AbbottRacing.

DarkHart
02-07-2013, 10:29 AM
Well, got an exhaust leak. I'm pretty sure its just where the egr tube was torn. I could clearly see after a run that it was leaking there as it was wet. We tried putting something around the hose as well as a hose clamp, guess it didn't work.

I wouldn't mind doing an egr delete if it didn't throw codes that I'd have to tune out. Or would I be able to just delete em with a scanner to pass emissions?

Or does anyone maybe know the part number just for the hose? That'd be great too

Ibanezz
02-07-2013, 10:53 AM
If pa is anything like NY. Then deleting the code doesn't make you pass. Deleting a code resets all your systems and then they all display not ready. In new York. 96-01 can have 2 not readies and will still pass, 02 and up can pass with 1 not ready. Any time your battery is disconnected it will also reset all systems to not ready.

There are ways to trick systems. My first car. A 97 prix with a 3800 series II had some god awful evap codes. My brother gave me the car after it was sitting for almost a year. I didn't have a lot of money so a mechanic who was friends with my dad told me to drive it around with under a quarter tank of gas. The computer won't check the evap system unless there's over 1/4 tank or so. But the computer has to check each system. Twice before it'll become ready. It took precise timing but I eventually got it to pass after 4 or 5 times. Best part is that under 1/2 tank of gas the prixs gas gauge was very unreliable so I really had no idea how much fuel I had and ran out of gas downtown. Very shitty experience

DarkHart
02-07-2013, 11:03 AM
Eh, I've also got a couple evap leaks (smalls) that shouldn't effect my emissions testing though, should it?

Bonemaro
02-07-2013, 11:03 AM
If pa is anything like NY. Then deleting the code doesn't make you pass. Deleting a code resets all your systems and then they all display not ready. In new York. 96-01 can have 2 not readies and will still pass, 02 and up can pass with 1 not ready. Any time your battery is disconnected it will also reset all systems to not ready.

There are ways to trick systems. My first car. A 97 prix with a 3800 series II had some god awful evap codes. My brother gave me the car after it was sitting for almost a year. I didn't have a lot of money so a mechanic who was friends with my dad told me to drive it around with under a quarter tank of gas. The computer won't check the evap system unless there's over 1/4 tank or so. But the computer has to check each system. Twice before it'll become ready. It took precise timing but I eventually got it to pass after 4 or 5 times. Best part is that under 1/2 tank of gas the prixs gas gauge was very unreliable so I really had no idea how much fuel I had and ran out of gas downtown. Very shitty experience

You are talking about clearing the SES code. That will make the computer reset and be "not ready." That will make any car in any state unable to test. I'm talking about completely removing the P code from the ECM tables, so there's nothing too report.

Ibanezz
02-07-2013, 11:08 AM
You are talking about clearing the SES code. That will make the computer reset and be "not ready." That will make any car in any state unable to test. I'm talking about completely removing the P code from the ECM tables, so there's nothing too report.

No I hear you bone. At the end he said can I just clear them with a scanner. That's what my post was referring to.

Bonemaro
02-07-2013, 11:29 AM
Ah, gotcha.

DarkHart
02-07-2013, 11:41 AM
Isn't there a part # for just the hose or something? I thought I saw it somewhere on this forum earlier but I cant find it again

xpbr2000
02-07-2013, 11:45 AM
Isn't there a part # for just the hose or something? I thought I saw it somewhere on this forum earlier but I cant find it again

EGR valve adapter GM # 24504960

DarkHart
02-07-2013, 12:22 PM
http://www.trademotion.com/parts/1998/CHEVROLET/CAMARO/?siteid=214858&vehicleid=1303502&diagram=CD93056&diagramCallOut=6

Item #6 - EGR pipe. That's what I'd want right? Does it just hook right up to the bottom of the egr valve?

xpbr2000
02-07-2013, 12:31 PM
http://www.trademotion.com/parts/1998/CHEVROLET/CAMARO/?siteid=214858&vehicleid=1303502&diagram=CD93056&diagramCallOut=6

Item #6 - EGR pipe. That's what I'd want right? Does it just hook right up to the bottom of the egr valve?

it doesn't look like it. looks like item #5 Here is a details explosion

http://www.frankforged.com/forge/images/v6fbody/help/EGRvalvel36_zps6571770d.png

DarkHart
02-07-2013, 01:56 PM
it doesn't look like it. looks like item #5 Here is a details explosion
Well I found the site where ya got that from, and you mean #6? 5 is just the nut. It says that the #6 adapter and #1 aren't available.

Whenever I try to look for the "EGR valve adapter" or search with the part number, pretty much everywhere says it's not available anymore. Think I might be able to order one through the Chevy dealer?

xpbr2000
02-07-2013, 03:26 PM
Well I found the site where ya got that from, and you mean #6? 5 is just the nut. It says that the #6 adapter and #1 aren't available.

Whenever I try to look for the "EGR valve adapter" or search with the part number, pretty much everywhere says it's not available anymore. Think I might be able to order one through the Chevy dealer?
my guess would be no. if its discontinued then its probably a junk yard item. dealers dont like to keep old inventory like that. they'd rather sell it to third party warehouses.

xpbr2000
02-07-2013, 03:28 PM
Well I found the site where ya got that from, and you mean #6? 5 is just the nut. It says that the #6 adapter and #1 aren't available.

i got that from my parts list. its available to anyone that wants it

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cwixwdvyi73vwb/93-02%20Camaro%20Parts%20Manual.pdf

DarkHart
02-07-2013, 03:48 PM
i got that from my parts list. its available to anyone that wants it

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cwixwdvyi73vwb/93-02%20Camaro%20Parts%20Manual.pdf

That's pretty useful, thanks. Should come in handy.

xpbr2000
02-07-2013, 04:01 PM
That's pretty useful, thanks. Should come in handy.

I use it all the time.

3.8blackmaro
02-07-2013, 08:30 PM
If your speaking of the egr pedestal thingy with the bottom pipe that goes to the headers that can be bought at a dealership. I bought one anyway.

DarkHart
02-07-2013, 11:49 PM
Well did you just buy the pipe or whole assembly? I don't want the whole egr valve necessarily, just that pipe.

3.8blackmaro
02-08-2013, 06:21 AM
Can't buy just the pipe. It was $50 or something.